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Mexico Southern Border Wall With Guatemala, Belize by CaciqueCaribe Mexico Southern Border Wall With Guatemala, Belize by CaciqueCaribe
The hypocrisy of the Mexican government to suggest doing such a thing and then calling people in the US all sorts of names for suggesting the same for its own southern border!

panampost.com/elena-toledo/201…
www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/0…
www.macleans.ca/politics/world…
www.truth-out.org/news/item/32…

And where are all the protests in Mexico, calling their government Nazis, or racists, or whatever?  Or calling for boycotts and such?  

Oh, that's right.  I forgot ... Protests by foreigners are illegal in Mexico:
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Then where are all the Mexican nationals protesting in their place? Ha, yeah right.

AND ... Obama has no problems helping them with their existing patchy border with Guatemala and Belize:

dailycaller.com/2016/06/03/oba…

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jec1996 Featured By Owner Edited Mar 12, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh The Irony 
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:iconcaciquecaribe:
Obama's Administration was even looking at ways to help Mexico with their plan to build a fence or barrier along their border with Guatemala and Belize:

www.azpm.org/s/39635-programa-…

So the plan was VERY real.  And it worried Guatemala.  Still does.

The ONLY reason Mexico has gone quiet lately on this subject is because they want to be able to play the victim now in their US-Mexico barrier argument with Trump.

Oh the hypocrisy!  :)
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Indeed.  The wall/barrier doesn't exist* as such ... yet.  But the Mexican government has not said conclusively that it is giving up on that idea.

beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/…

If you can understand Spanish, there are loads of articles about how they still want to go ahead and build that wall to their south.

Here's one such report by Mexicans in favor of their government's plan for building that Mexico-Guatemala wall/barrier:
www.elmanana.com/sialmurofront…
es.panampost.com/elena-toledo/…

There are of course those in Mexico who say that such a Wall is unnecessary and "shameful".  They claim that Mexico's rigorous capture and deportation laws and enforcement are sufficient, and that they shouldn't do to their South what the US wants to do to on Mexico's North.
noticialibre.com/2016/07/29/el…

But Mexico's plan to build that barrier continues to worry the Guatemalan government.  Guatemalan officials are still pushing hard for the Mexican government to publicly state that the plan has been abandoned.  So far the Mexican government has not denounced the idea.  Despite continued pressure from the Guatemalan government, Mexico's Minister of Foreign Affairs, Luis Videgaray Caso, has been particularly quiet on that subject:
internacional.elpais.com/inter…
www.elhorizonte.mx/opinion/edi…

* Many of the legitimate news reports about the Mexican government's plan use pictures of the US-Mexico barriers only as an example of what may be built.  Unfortunately that has prompted many non-Spanish readers to erroneously believe that a barrier has already been built along that border.  And that, in turn, has prompted a flurry of "debunking" articles, that show where the specific photos were actually taken.  Those discussions have gotten pretty silly at times.
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CaciqueCaribe Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017
Hmm.  I wonder why mainstream US media hasn't made a big deal about this 560-mile wall ... and why they haven't called this a racist gesture of Turks against Arabs (or any of their equally ridiculous claim):



After all, it's not just keeping ISIS out (which means the Wall works), it is also keeping refugees from crossing to Turkey.  You'd think US Liberals would be in an uproar.
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generalrusty78 Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
hey people watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOOBlc…
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TheDreamMasterAB Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2017
I have been looking at satellite images in google earth and can see trees and bushes clearly but cannot find this wall along the Guatemala and Belize border with Mexico. Can anyone point me in the right direction and post some GPS coords where it can be seen? Thanks.
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This is very interesting.  A Honduran national who has been in central Mexico (Guanajuato) illegally for about a month is complaining of how horrible Mexican authorities are to illegal immigrants, robbing them and not doing anything when Mexicans abuse them:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=_EDiQGiu…

A different guy in that video says that private Mexican citizens have opened their doors to him.  Both of those Honduran men look and sound like they are from either San Pedro Sula or from the Bay Islands (Roatan).

And yet ... all we hear about on mainstream US media, even from the Mexican officials interviewed, is how awful we are to illegals here in the US.  LOL.  Go figure.  
It's just more of the typical guilt industry tactics we've come to expect from our American Left:
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Centurion030 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2017
Oh they are very harsh.

But then again, it is THEIR law regarding illegals.
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:iconcaciquecaribe:
And it is their right to enact and enforce laws to protect their citizens.  The problem comes when countries like Mexico demand that the US do less for its own citizens.

Mexico's media has no problem talking openly about illegal immigrants being a big problem in their country.  They openly criticize the immigration of Chinese into Mexico, even when done legally!

God help anyone who talks so openly about that topic here in the US.
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Centurion030 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2017
Precisely. Except for places like Breitbart.
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CaciqueCaribe Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2017
Except that what Breibart condemns is mainly the illegal immigrations.
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I had a link from the Guatemalan consulate with maps and photos, from one of their recent protests against Mexico's fence/wall.  They even went so far as to call it a DMZ, specially because of Mexico's multilayer system of spaced razor wire and other deterrents, even underwater ones.

Let me see if I can find that again and I'll post it here when/if I do.
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TheDreamMasterAB Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2017
Thanks!
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CaciqueCaribe Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2017
Someone just shared this with me:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic…

Aparently the plan plan to build a continuous barrier is still on the table.
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Ok.  This one obviously isn't it, but the general format is very similar*, except that the focus on the other one was all about the physical barriers themselves (along the Mexico-Guatemala border):

www.wola.org/files/mxgt/report…

I know that it included this picture near Ixbul.  That area already had acoustic/seismic sensors, but Guatemala claimed that Mexico didn't think that was enough and was sending surveyors to create an actual wall/fence:
mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/ph…

Here's another view of what that Mexico-Guatemala border looks like now in some remote areas:
www.panoramio.com/m/photo/8604…
www.panoramio.com/m/photo/8207…

Let me keep looking.  But you could also Google image the following, and see what turns up:
frontera Mexico Guatemala 

PS.  Of course, as you might expect, Wikipedia (and Snopes) claims the rumors of a wall being planned to replace the existing fence were all false:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatem…

* Meaning that, despite being an official diplomatic document, it also contained similar information compiled by US-based human rights groups.
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matritum Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
A fence next to a city and a wall over all the borderline are not the same.
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CaciqueCaribe Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2016
Who is talking about a fence next to a city?
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lordmep Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Just sweep those inconvenient details under the rug.
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CaciqueCaribe Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2016
Lol
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Wertyla Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
So, apparently walls aren't a terrible idea after all.
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CaciqueCaribe Featured By Owner Edited Aug 9, 2016
If Republicans mention it then it is suddenly seen as evil.

But they didn't see it as an evil when Bill Clinton suggested something like it:

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Wertyla Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
There is a definite double standard. Also, if a Democratic politician suddenly "evolves" to support gay marriage, we're supposed to totally forget all the years that they said, "Marriage is between one man and one woman."
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CutestSith Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Still waiting for the day Mexico removes their barbed wire fences around their southern border. What's the matter chicos? I thought you were all about open borders? Oh, that's only if the country happens to be first world.
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CaciqueCaribe Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2016
I remember talking to a police officer from Guatemala that tole me about the razor wire Mexico decided to set up in the middle of a river several years ago.  Innocent locals got their propeller caught in them and the guys got really cut up when they tried to detach their boat.  Nets and flood debris finally swept most of the coils downstream, but they continued to be a problem there too.

Mexico snubbed the Guatemalan government when it brought formal grievances, so Guatemala tried to take the matter to some international court. It's probably still being reviewed.  Big mighty Mexico is a bully when it comes to the little nations to its south, but it's the first,to cry foul when all of its demands aren't met, no matter how ridiculous the demands may be.
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CutestSith Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Could you imagine if we out god damn barbed wire in our water ways? The liberals would have a bitch fit. The Mexican government seems arrogant but plays the part of the oppressed. Even when it was an empire Mexico bullied the little nations around it but then it decided to go north and pick on the USA. It got its ass kicked and lost all the good part of its land and has been salty ever since. 
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CaciqueCaribe Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2016
I guess that censorship is alive and well in Mexico:

www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/0…
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DarthBane48 Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2016
Mexican leaders are just a bunch of hypocrites aren't they.
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CaciqueCaribe Featured By Owner Edited Aug 8, 2016
The hypocrites get a lot of help from people on this side of the border, to make sure that our border remains porous:

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I wonder if Hillary's going to give Mexico her "we need to build bridges instead" speech.  :)

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EnforcerWolf Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2016
Do as I say, not as I do, I guess.
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CaciqueCaribe Featured By Owner Edited Aug 8, 2016
Look at this CNN Wolf Blitzer transcript excerpt, of an interview with former Mexican President Felipe Calderon.  Mexico wants us to let anyone in, even though they don't do that with anyone that tries to enter their country illegally.  If that's not the clearest example of hypocrisy ever, I don't know what is.

BLITZER: So if people want to come from Guatemala or Honduras or El Salvador or Nicaragua, they want to just come into Mexico, they can just walk in?

CALDERON: No. They need to fulfill a form. They need to establish their right name. We analyze if they have not a criminal precedent. And they coming into Mexico. Actually...

BLITZER: Do Mexican police go around asking for papers of people they suspect are illegal immigrants?

CALDERON: Of course. Of course, in the border, we are asking the people, who are you?

And if they explain...

BLITZER: At the border, I understand, when they come in.

CALDERON: Yes.

BLITZER: But once they're in...

CALDERON: But not -- but not in -- if -- once they are inside the -- inside the country, what the Mexican police do is, of course, enforce the law. But by any means, immigration is a crime anymore in Mexico.

BLITZER: Immigration is not a crime, you're saying?

CALDERON: It's not a crime.

BLITZER: So in other words, if somebody sneaks in from Nicaragua or some other country in Central America, through the southern border of Mexico, they wind up in Mexico, they can go get a job...

CALDERON: No, no.

BLITZER: They can work.

CALDERON: If -- if somebody do that without permission, we send back -- we send back them.

BLITZER: You find them and you send them back?

CALDERON: Yes. However, especially with the people of Guatemala, we are providing a new system in which any single citizen from Guatemala could be able to visit any single border (INAUDIBLE) in the south. And even with all the requirements, he can or she can visit any parts of Mexico.

BLITZER: I ask the questions because there's an argument that people in Arizona and New Mexico and -- and Texas, they say they're only trying to do in their states what Mexico itself does in the southern part of Mexico.

CALDERON: I know. And that is a very powerful argument. But that is one of the reasons why we are trying to change our policy.

And let me be frank, Wolf. In the past, Mexican authorities were in a -- in a -- in an unfortunate way in the treatment for immigrants. But now we are changing the policy. We changed already the law. And that is different today. We are trying to write a new story, talking about immigrants, especially coming from Central American countries.

transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPT…
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EnforcerWolf Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2016
Headache. I now have one. Politics are politics no matter the country.
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CaciqueCaribe Featured By Owner Edited Aug 8, 2016
Take down half a bottle of tequila.  By morning, the hangover will make you forget all about the little headache you had today.
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EnforcerWolf Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2016
If I wasn't deathly allergic to alcohol, I might have actually considered that.
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Bandi0 Featured By Owner Edited Sep 6, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
"deathly allergic to alcohol" My condolences my friend.
Be strong
Git gud
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EnforcerWolf Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2016
Thanks.
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CaciqueCaribe Featured By Owner Edited Aug 8, 2016
Well DON'T DO IT then!  :)

I don't want you getting sick because I made one of my stupid jokes/suggestions.  People are always getting into trouble for taking me seriously.

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By the way, you'll love this I just found:
dailycaller.com/2016/06/03/oba…
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EnforcerWolf Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2016
It's cool, bro. I knew you were joking.
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Centurion030 Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2016
Oh yes... Their laws would be called "racist" too. I guess by themselves.
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CaciqueCaribe Featured By Owner Edited Aug 8, 2016
Lol.  I'm all in favor of the US having the exact same immigration laws that Mexico has!
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Centurion030 Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2016
Exactly!

I'm tired of being the outsourced welfare program for illegals...
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CaciqueCaribe Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2016
Yep.  Programs to our own seniors and veterans keep dwindling or are falling apart, but benefits to those who cross over or are born here illegally keep going up.

Something wrong with that picture.
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Centurion030 Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2016
Very much so......
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